What does it mean when the Bible says “you are gods”? James White answers

mormon broJesus quotes the Psalmist and declared “you are gods” (John 10:34; Psalm 82:6). What does that mean? James White explains:

The use of this passage in LDS literature is widespread. “I said, you are gods” is used to substantiate the idea of a plurality of gods, and men becoming gods. Yet, even a brief review of the passage demonstrates that such is hardly a worthy interpretation, and some of the leading LDS apologists today avoid trying to press the passage that far, and for good reason. The unbelieving Jews seen in this passage, with murder in their hearts, are hardly good candidates for exaltation to godhood. What is more, the Lord Jesus uses the present tense when He says, “You are gods.” So, obviously, He is not identifying His attackers as divine beings, worthy of worship by their eventual celestial offspring! What, then, is going on here?

Read his answer from pages 155-158 from his book “Is the Mormon my Brother?”


Update May 7, 2015: Here is another pastor’s view of this.

 

Interview #56 – James White – Alpha & Omega Ministries [Audio Podcast]

Re-posted as the last post was causing some errors.

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Dr. James White

ConfessingBaptistPodcastLogo“We continue to pray, brother, the Lord will use you for the defense of the gospel, in various parts of the world.”

 Pastor Robert Briggs

On episode 56 of our interview podcast we have the interview that Pastor Roberts Briggs conducted with James White. This recording is from May 25, 2014 when James White was at Immanuel Baptist Church giving his “Can I Trust the Bible” presentation.

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POST-INTERVIEW MUSIC:

  • Old-school “The Dividing Line” Webcast intro

James White on Theonomy, Reformation Day, “Can homosexuals be saved?”, Islam + Never before seen “Witnessing to Mormons” Seminar from 1994 [Dividing Line Audio & Video]

Here is the timeline of topics from yesterday’s [10/31/2013] Dividing Line:

  • 4:20 – 12:37 “A brief review of Reformation Day
  • 12:38 – 30:25 “…the secular disrespect of Islam and how that hampers Christian efforts to reach Muslims for Christ”

During this time Rich Pierce announced a never before seen video from 1994:

James White provides instruction vital for believers interested in equipping themselves on how to understand Mormon Doctrine and effectively communicate with Mormons.

You can watch the two in a half hour video it here:

  • 30:34 – 36:22 “The SBC reaching out to the LDS church
  • 33:30 – 41:25 US ambassador to Australia marries in private same-sex ceremony and other news
  • 41:30 – 49:30 Caller ask: “Can homosexuals be saved?”
  • 49:36 – 58:54 Caller ask about Theonomy and Natural Law

 

60 minute Audio:

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3 New Podcasts: Greg Nichols on the Church & the Covenants [Interviewed by Dr. Gonzales @ RBS] + New Narrow Mind [Gene Cook Jr.] + John Divito on Mormonism

While our podcast was having some issues, three new podcasts sprung up over the weekend:

Reformed Baptist Seminary Audio Podcast: Greg Nichols on the Church and the Covenants [Interviewed by Dr. Bob Gonzales]:

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Last month Pastor and Professor Greg Nichols gave thirty lectures on the Doctrine of the Church for Reformed Baptist Seminary. These lectures have been edited and are available on the RBS Virtual Campus as part of our theological curriculum. While I had the opportunity, I interviewed him on the topic of the church and on his recently published monograph entitled Covenant Theology: A Reformed and Baptistic Perspective. Some of the questions I asked him included…

 

1. What is distinct about a Reformed and Baptist ecclesiology? 

 
2. How do you approach the study of ecclesiology in your course? 

 
3. When in redemptive history did the church of Christ come into being? 

 
4. What is the biblical basis for formal membership in a local church? 

 
5. What would you say to people who’ve become disillusioned with the local church? 

 
6. What makes your book on the biblical covenants both Reformed and also Baptist?

Here is the RBS Podcast [MP3]:

And a new Narrow Mind (hosted by a previous interviewee on our podcast, Gene Cook Jr.)

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Guest Matt Paul on the subject of Dan Corner’s interview on my show.

John Divito of the Midwest Center for Theological Studies writes:

Last night, I was interviewed on the internet podcast “Theology Matters.” For an hour and a half, I gave a brief overview of Mormonism. We covered the historical origins of Mormonism, the LDS worldview, as well as the Mormon doctrine of Scripture, God, and salvation. My interview started about 30 minutes into the show, and you can listen to it here. May Christ use this podcast to glorify Himself and draw more believers to reach out to Latter-day Saints with the true gospel of Jesus Christ!

Here is the podcast:

 

Engaging Mormons with the Gospel – John Divito

john divito mormonOn the blog Gospel Gripped, Matthew R. Perry writes:

John Divito, just conducted a five-part interview with Mormon Research Ministries that you would do well to hear. John was converted to Christ after growing up in the Mormon church. He recently contributed to The Gospel Coalition as well as Christianity Today regarding connecting and engaging Mormons with the true gospel. John currently serves as the Administrator for the Midwest Center for Theological Studies in Owensboro, Kentucky.

John describes the content of each part:

The first part is my testimony and background. The second part covers my contribution to Christianity Today. The third part looks more at Jana Reiss, a well-regarded Mormon who responded to the CT article. In the fourth and fifth parts, I interact with Reiss’ response.

Listen here to all five parts:

Part 1 | Play in new window | Download (Duration: 13:59 — 12.8MB)

Part 2 | Play in new window | Download (Duration: 14:00 — 12.8MB)

Part 3 | Play in new window | Download (Duration: 14:00 — 12.8MB)

Part 4 | Play in new window | Download (Duration: 14:00 — 12.8MB)

Part 5 | Play in new window | Download (Duration: 14:00 — 12.8MB)

Responding to a Mormon on Grace and Works – John Divito

We previously featured, former Mormon, John Divito’s response on Christianity Today magazine “What Can Christians Learn From the Surge in Mormon Youth Missionaries?”. Since then he writes:

I received an e-mail from a Mormon questioning me on the relationship between grace and works. While I want his identity and message to remain private, I thought my response could be helpful to other evangelical believers as they seek to understand Mormonism and reach out to them in love with the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

Read or listen to readout [9 min.]

Mormon Youth Missionaries: What Can Christians Learn From their Surge? John Divito Answers

John Divito was one of three people asked by Christianity Today to answer the question, “What Can Christian Leaders Learn From the Surge in Mormon Youth Missionaries?”. He answered:

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John Divito is a former Mormon, a graduate of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, and administrator for the Midwest Center for Theological Studies in Owensboro, Kentucky.

The impressive Mormon missionary response is not what it first appears. The recent surge is the fruit of young men and women being raised in Mormon culture. To understand the rise in those applying to become Latter-day Saint (LDS) missionaries, we first need to identify the root that produced the fruit.

Mormon culture is founded on a worldview requiring works in order to gain eternal life. The Book of Mormon teaches, “It is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23, emphasis mine). Contrast this with Ephesians 2:8–10, which reminds us we are saved by grace through faith apart from our works. Imagine being raised in an atmosphere where you’re told, “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect” in your daily living (Matt. 5:48, KJV). Achieving eternal life is the outcome of obeying your church and its living prophet, and your progress is tracked by church leaders.

We must understand the call for Mormon missionaries in this context. Since missions is considered a priesthood duty for lds men, church leaders and family encourage all young men to respond to the call of service. While young women are not under the same mandate, they are also encouraged to serve. In either situation, Mormon missionary work is critical to one’s eternal future.

In light of this, we should not be surprised at the flood of applications that followed the lds First Presidency’s announcement that it was lowering the minimum age requirement for missionaries. These young people are eager to serve so they can earn God’s favor through their faithfulness.

The Mormon missionary surge should remind us of the empty promise of legalistic religious service. In fact, we can take a cautionary lesson from it, since a performance-based approach to Christianity easily finds its way into our evangelical churches.

We call our children to be obedient, but don’t point them to Christ, who was obedient for us. We call them to godly living, but don’t direct them to Christ as the substitute for our ungodliness. So when we urge our young men and women to serve sacrificially at home and abroad, the call is too often separated from the gospel. We’ve functionally taught them that the Christian life depends on what they do rather than who they are in Christ. This leads either to pride (“I can do it!”) or to despair (“I can’t do it!”).

Instead of encouraging missions by appealing to our young people’s need to serve or to the benefits they’ll gain, youth leaders should motivate them to gospel-centered service by guiding them to Christ. He has taken our unrighteousness and exchanged it for his righteousness through the Cross.

In Christ, we have the security and the strength to faithfully serve him in love. May our youth go into the world and make disciples of all nations, having been reconciled to God and entrusted with the message of reconciliation.

[source: Christianity Today]

Here is his testimony (or listen to a read out [6 minutes])