Please watch and share this very important film with Dr. James White (aomin.org), Dr. Michael Brown (askdrbrown.org), and Jeff Durbin (apologiaradio.com). These well-known and respected Pastors, Christian Apologists, and radio show hosts have a vitally important discussion about the recent United States Supreme Court ruling about gay “marriage”. This roundtable discussion engages with this important social issue and the gay revolution in the context of the Gospel of Jesus the Messiah.
What are the historical roots of the gay revolution? What happened at Stonewall? What is the loving and faithful response of a biblical church? How do we reach out and resist in a way that glorifies God and shows compassion and commitment to our neighbors? What are the arguments against proponents of this ruling? How do we answer challenges against the Christian position?…
From the event we previously posted. These are some of James White’s most popular lectures:
The Forgotten Trinity | 1:52:43
Romans 9: The Potter’s Freedom | 1:38:18
Homosexuality and Tyranny | 1:26:57
Understanding Islam | 1:02:46
Note that the first two sessions aren’t online:
This past weekend, Sep 26-28 , Covenant Baptist was privileged to host a Transforming Marriage Conference with Dr. Voddie Baucham. We were thrilled to have him and hear his teaching on the theology of marriage as an institution, established by God, and the practical admonitions from God’s Word. We were also blessed to have him for a men’s fellowship and for our services on Sunday. His sermon on “Worthy of Worship” compelled us to a new commitment to Christ. His evening seminar on LGBT as “the new black” informed us as to how to respond to a culture that is completely illogical and unbiblical in its acceptance of this premise put forth by activists from the homosexual agenda. You will find both of these messages below and we encourage you to listen to them.
Understanding Manhood | Session 3
There is a great deal of confusion over so-called “gender roles” in our culture. We are no longer clear on what it means to be a man, or what it means to be a woman. As a result, many couples struggle to define their roles without the benefit of a standard
This session [and the next] will establish a clear biblical grid through which to evaluate our roles.
Understanding Womanhood | Session 4
Q & A with Dr. Voddie Baucham | Session 5
Dr. Voddie Baucham answering questions from Michael Lee
Worthy of Worship | Session 6
Not Like Being Black | Session 7
Voddie Baucham exposes the similarities between the Civil Rights Movement and the so-called Gay Rights Movement, while pointing out the significant difference between ethnicity and sexual orientation.
Transcript [lightly edited]:
What is the difference between the Civil Rights Movement and the so-called Gay Rights Movement of today? Not a whole lot. Unfortunately, I think there are some things that we accepted philosophically in the Civil Rights Movement that were not based in biblical truth. And those things are being applied in the Gay Rights Movement the exact same way and now we are calling them out.
For example, the idea of seeing people as constituencies and seeing rights as rights for constituencies of people is prominent in both movements. This continued division based on our constituencies and so-called communities is problematic. We’ve embraced a hyphenated understanding of ourselves as opposed to a view that sees us as one people.
The homosexual community is latching onto some of those very concepts. These concepts, by the way, are rooted and grounded in cultural Marxism. That was the goal of Gramscian Marxism. Divide people up into constituencies, and then the way you gain power is by making promises and representing particular constituencies. Now you never give them what you promise, but by creating this idea of constituencies and being the one who is the representative of the constituencies, you gain power and you keep your power to the degree that things don’t get better for your constituency. If things get better for your constituency, you lose your power.
So even when gains are made, you have to downplay those and go looking for other things that are problems. That is the way you keep your power.
The homosexual community has latched onto that approach and has identified itself as a constituency deserving of our attention and pity. They did so intentionally using the AIDS crisis. The direct result is they now have achieved a one-to-one correlation that we are finding it very hard to move away from.
So are there differences between ethnicity and so-called sexual orientation? Absolutely there are. Ethnicity is innate and unchangeable. So-called sexual orientation is not innate and is changeable. We know this. First Corinthians 6 is two-thousand-year-old evidence that people can stop being gay. So we know that it is neither innate, nor is it unchangeable. There are huge differences between the two. However, if all you are doing is using the language of the culture and the idea of people as constituencies, then you end up right where we are, and it is hard to stop that train.
How to Glorify God on MPD (Marriage Profanation Day—date to be determined soon).
1) Begin the day with prayer and Bible reading, submitting your mind to the Lordship of Christ.
2) If you are married, pray for your spouse, expressing thanks to God for your marriage, and imploring the Almighty to protect your marriage so that it may be a witness to the world of what God intended.
3) Review the teaching of Jesus on the foundation of marriage in Matthew 19:4-6. Note especially that the Creator Himself established gender, the role of the husband, of the wife, of the father, and the mother, and that the only relationship He will ever bless is one that fits in this paradigm: one man, one woman.
4) Pray for grace to love rebel sinners who will be rejoicing in the profaning of God’s good gifts, for you, too, once hated what is good and loved what is evil. Remember, you have been redeemed from the world, transferred from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light, and that all of grace.
5) Pray for the younger generation that has been robbed of transcendent meaning and purpose. Pray for God’s people, those young folks still being called out of the darkness into the light, for they will face a far more difficult world than most of us older followers of Jesus in the United States have ever faced.
6) Do not look backwards and long for the “good ol’ days” when a semblance of moral sanity prevailed by God’s grace in our land. Realize in the midst of judgment we are called to be salt and light.
7) Go out and tell someone Jesus is Lord. Lord over all of life. Lord over creation, Lord over man’s institutions, Lord over all human authorities. Be salt. Be light. The darkness is deepening daily, and that means our light is all that much more necessary. The denizens of the darkness will try to extinguish that light. They cannot.
Also see Mantras Instead of Morals
Below are the clips with timeline:
- 0:00 – 2:10 “Where do you see the church, with its relationship to the government in five years regarding the issue on homosexuality?”
- 2:11 – 4:20 “[W]here do you see the relationship of Christianity, specifically the local church now, in ten years with the state?”
- 4:21 – 6:27 “Is there anything that the Evangelical Christian who is hearing this can do?”
- 0:00 – 0:29 “Would you stand on a platform with… a Mormon, with a Rabbi, with a Imam to talk about the importance of coming together on the life issue or the marriage issue?”
- 0:30 – 4:03 “There are three types of homosexuals… [the first two groups] are not the enemy… and they are actually the harvest field therefore I show them love?”
- 0:00 – 1:34 What would Voddie say to the person who insist “No incrementalism, it’s everything or nothing!”?
- 1:35 – 3:20 “What do you say then to the person who responds, “Incrementalism? We don’t do that with other forms of murder. We don’t do that with rape. ‘Hey, we’re against rape BUT we’ll take this piece of legislation that doesn’t completely outlaw it…'”?
- 3:28 – 4:56 Scott Kluesendorf continues to answer the above
- 0:27 – 1:24 Scott Kluesendorf answers
- 1:25 – 2:37 Voddie Baucham answers
- 0:35 – 2:02 James White answers
- 2:20 – 3:46 Voddie Baucham answers
Although the event said he would be answering question on Islam and Christian Baptism the questions were much more varied.
Audio Timeline & Links:
• 00:00 – 03:54 Intro by Chris Arnzen (he fills us in that Iron Sharpens Iron will be relaunched in 3-4 weeks!)
• 03:55 – 10:16 James White’s opening words on focusing on Christ not any “celebrity” (here is the video he mentions “James White’s scary 5 year prediction for the church“)
• 10:17 – 18:51 “Do you believe Theonomy to be a heresy…?” (here is his “Holiness Code for Today” series that he mentions)
• 18:52 – 25:17 “How should we approach gays who call themselves Christians?” (here is the debate mentioned Debate: Can You Be Gay & Christian? – James White & Justin Lee)
• 25:18 – 29:00 “When a homosexual says, ‘We all have our pet sin’ how do you approach that?”
• 29:01 – 30:49 “While many Christians speak of it being a reality that same-sex attraction exist amongst truly born-again people, why is it that very few dare to say the same of some of the abominations recorded in the Scriptures such as bestiality and necrophilia?”
• 30:50 – 34:47 “What part, if any, do you believe that Islam plays in the end times?”
• 34:48 – 41:31 “If you agree that the Abrahamic Covenant is a covenant of promise to believers and their children and is an eternal covenant, so how is the New Covenant any different?”
• 41:32 – 45:49 “In an interview with a King James Only guy you made the comment about Paul quoting an Old Testament variant… would you please comment on how that would affect the Word of God being perfect.” (here is the interview that was being discussed with Steve Anderson)
• 45:50 – 51:38 “How great of a danger do you see presented by the ‘Prosperity Gospel’ as compared to other religious or spiritual movements?”
• 51:39 – 55:22 “How or should we condemn Unitarianism and Modalism as damnable heresy even if it maintains a view of Christ’s deity when at the same time many Christian apologist recognize that the majority of Evangelicals in the pew could not Biblically define the Trinity without slipping into a Modalist [or Unitarian] example.”
• 55:45 – 64:00 “How would you teach the best way to approach a Muslim with the Gospel? …”
James White’s podcast/webcast, The Dividing Line, from Aug. 28, 2014 dealt with a wide range of theological and cultural issues.
- 03:30 – 15:29 We started out with an update on what is going on down in Australia with our brother David Ould and a reality TV show he did. We hope to have David on, probably on 9/9, to discuss what is going on with the “spin” and the cultural response to a Christian witness regarding homosexuality.
- 15:30 – 49:00 …discussed Yasir Qadhi and his response to ISIS and a recent article applying unfair standards to him. (mp3 tag: James corrects the record and encourages Christians to be sure of the truth of their sources when discussing Islam.)
- 49:15 – 1:20:19 …a discussion of two textual variants. That part has to be watched to have any idea what I’m talking about. (This is related to Jeff Riddle’s interaction with James White on Textual Criticism. Here is the screenflow of his first response to this that he mentions in the show)
Is there a basis for the “Gay Christian Movement” as exemplified by Matthew Vines or Justin Lee? What about those who promote these views, like James Brownson or Ken Wilson? James White addresses the movement in two parts at the Discern Conference at Gospel Life Community Church in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
“Pastor Says Parents Should ‘Alienate’ Gay Kids, ‘Turn Them Over To Satan’“, reads the title of a post on The Huffington Post Gay Voices from this past Friday. James White recorded two videos, over the weekend, interacting with how the Huffington Post [not linked due to links on that site] and Patheos took this:
A Screenflow video prompted by the attack made upon JM’s answer on the Huffington Post.
Though he has dealt with this issue in depth, James White points out that the arguments regarding marriage in our culture are now more emotionally-driven and will thus need to also be dealt with on that level.:
…[I]t is shallow, emotionally-driven thinking that is the staple of today’s decaying Western culture. At the highest levels of academia, culture, and government, the abuse of sound thinking through the manipulation of those who think without accuracy or depth is rampant. It is the very foundation of political success and advancement. The “spin” is all that matters anymore. Corrupt politicians know this very well….
In the United States today an argument has established itself in the minds of, it seems, the majority of those in power, and in a large portion of the populace, especially the young, that is so vacuous, so empty, so lacking in logical and intellectual rigor, that it must leave the truth-honoring mind grasping for words to express its disdain. I am being kind to use the term “argument,” for it is truly nothing more than a mantra, generously slathered with emotion. I refer to the “marriage equality” argument, the mantra of “marriage equality,” a slogan that may well result in the highest court in the land completely redefining (for the brief time any culture could survive such a catastrophe) humanity’s fundamental relationships in the very near future. Very, very few actually believe in what this mantra means, and they are the most radical ethical nihilists in the land. The vast majority of those who repeat the slogan do not, actually, believe it, and sadly, are not even aware of the contradiction in their thought.
On a similar topic, if you missed yesterday’s Dividing Line you should check it out to see how he deals with a pastor (who is currently in the SBC but that won’t last long) who recently switched his view on homosexuality and what this Bible has to say about it. He writes on a post titles, “Responding to Pastor Danny Cortez: Preparing for the Tsunami”:
Over the course of the next few years we will experience a tsunami of compromise and change relating to homosexuality, marriage, and a plethora of related concepts within what was formerly known as evangelicalism. Holding to a consistently biblical and historical view of sexuality, gender and marriage will become more and more rare, and those who do so will be marginalized in the extreme. Just look across the Atlantic at European nations such as Sweden to see the reality headed our way: the clear suppression of specifically Christian viewpoints on moral and ethical issues by official policies and agencies. Those who do not see the intimate relationship between our ability to define sin and the proclamation of the gospel will find excuses to get around the problem, excuses already being offered by “gay Christianity” and its promoters such as Justin Lee, Matthew Vines, and scholars such as James Brownson. The totalitarians on the left are happy with such compromisers, as they have nothing to fear from them. But those who will not join in the movement will find themselves marginalized in all aspects of our culture.
On this edition of the Dividing Line I took the time to review key elements of Pastor Danny Cortez’s emotional explanation to his congregation regarding his “change of mind” regarding homosexuality. There was nothing new in his comments: Brownson, Ken Wilson, and others had pronounced all these arguments before him, and with far more clarity. But to watch a congregation split by its pastor’s “change of mind,” when we have so often examined, and found deeply wanting, the arguments he puts forward, is deeply concerning. My hope is that by examining these arguments again we can, at the very least, fulfill our role as salt and light, and that the Lord will encourage His saints in their prophetic role.
Update June 6, 2014: On yesterday’s Dividing Line, James White spent some time dealing with a shortened version of Matthew Vines presentation were he give, “7 Bible Quotes Supporting Gay Relationships”. Those verses include Matt. 7:15-20; 1 Cor. 7:1-9; Gen. 19; Lev. 11:9-12, Lev. 19:19, Lev. 19:9, Lev. 18:22, 20:13; Rom. 1; 1 Cor. 6:9; . This portion of the show starts at the 26 minute mark:
Phillip & Jemar, of Reformed African American Network, are joined by Voddie Baucham to discuss the Donald Sterling controversy, the NBA’s response, and consider the implications of this in regards to Christians living in the culture.
“I think a lot of people have bore false witness on this… we have a culture that says, ‘On every other issue don’t judge me… now all the sudden we have a standard…'” – Voddie Baucham