In Defense of Hercules Collins – Steve Weaver

So we all had a good laugh at Hercules Collins “…less persuasive arguments for credobaptism…” posted at Particular Voices. The quote was from Francis Mence’s “Vindiciae Foederis” and it turns out that Francis Mence was known to misrepresent Hercules Collins.


Pastor/Historian Steve Weaver sent us the following:


“In Defense of Hercules”


Last Friday (July 12, 2013) on the exceptional blog “Particular Voices,” a quote from Hercules Collins was posted that on the surface appears to be a quite silly argument for believer’s baptism.



The citation on the blog was actually from a book by an opponent of Collins named Francis Mence. In his Vindiciae Foederis (a paedo-baptist critique of Collins’ writings on baptism), Mence poked fun at Collins statement. Given that Mence was known for misrepresenting Collins (once falsely charging him with believing in the damnation of all children), I decided to see if Collins had indeed said what Mence accused him of. He had. The context of the quotation, however, puts a slightly different light upon the matter.

The original quote was from Believers Baptism from Heaven, published in 1691 (p. 88). It occurs in the midst of a 14 page chapter that contrasts infant and believers baptism in parallel columns.

In context it is one of many examples listed showing that infants can’t do what believers in the New Testament are commanded, implied, or assumed to do when baptized. The select quotation cited by Mence was in contrast to the statement: “Believers rejoice and shew their full Consent when they are baptized, Acts 8.” (see below)

Believers Baptism from Heaven

Notwithstanding his tongue-in-cheek comment, Collins point remains. Infants do not rejoice and show their full consent when baptized, instead their response is largely weeping. Although Collins left himself wide-open to the wisecrack made by Mence about circumcision, his point stands regarding infants being unable to give consent or rejoice (since rejoicing would imply understanding on their part). In context, I don’t think Collins statement was as foolish as it initially seemed. It was only a small part of a much larger argument.

Thanks for the info Pastor Steve!

Steve Weaver Hercules Collins Funny Though

Steve Weaver is pastor of Farmdale Baptist Church. He and his wife Gretta have six children.  He is a graduate of Liberty University (BS, 2002), The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (MDiv, 2005) and currently pursuing a PhD in Church History at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.  The major part of his research and writing is focused on the 17th century British Particular Baptist Hercules Collins (c. 1646-1702).

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He is also one of the editors of “Devoted to the Service of the Temple”: Persecution, Piety, and Ministry in the Writings of Hercules Collins”, which is a book exploring the spirituality of 17th century Baptist pastor Hercules Collins. In stock at Reformation Heritage Books and available for order from the publisher here.

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